well
just as 联盟的大大叔 said...  "There isn't one MS that can fight GUNDAM at the time"

so even with superb skills and reflex...  I believe that the Supergirl can do nothing with Setsuna ba..
Also Episode 4 told us that this Supergirl got brains... really unlike superhuman in the previous Gundam series

[ 本帖最后由 lioncck 于 2007-10-28 00:34 编辑 ]

it's only been ONE freakin' ONE episode! what part of "wait and see before making judgement" do you NOT understand?

LS the problem is that those superhuman in other gundam series especially SEED don't even got one freaking episode with their brains working sensibly!!!

i'm sorry LZ but to me the problem is that YOUR brain obviously isn't sensible enough to distinguish the difference between TWO different animes that are TWO different entities not to be compared and confused with each other.

you don't even have the slightest idea of what superhuman means in the 00 universe, why are you wasting your time coming up with "discussion" threads on a matter that is obviously too early to be discussed?

Agree, OO is definitly not Seed and UC universe.

Just be patient to watch their performance calmly. Only 4 stages have been shown on TV!!

Sorry, but I am confused with what happened.

Well, despite the fact that lioncck try to link this girl with the so called "Modified Humans " in previous Gundam animations, his idea , about that girl could not defeat Setsuna, is still correct.

When we look at the fact that no MS could compete with Gundam, in terms of techonology. How can the girl overcome this large barrier and defeat Gundam?That's the question, and we may propose our own idea on what would happen in upcoming episodes. In my opinion, that worths discussion.

That's what lioncck wanted to discuss about, and I have no idea why we should pick on a false ,but not important statement(compare with the main theme of his words), and overrule the main theme of what he wanted to discuss about. We are humans , we often make mistakes. it is important to improve ourselves, but how to tolerate each other, is important as well.

樓主不方便打中文，一開始就順水推舟而已……

不過，話説，現在才4話，本來就很難預測劇情會如何發展，一切均還沒明朗。
例如天朝超兵一號的能力，大家都沒看過她的表現不是麽？

thx man for ur support  , and sorry for making everyone to read in english


I'm just stressing on the fact that there isn't a possible way or well a powerful enough MS for her to use against GUNDAM
I'm not criticizing on her ability at all....  in fact I'm pretty sad on the waste of her potential

Relax...
人家Union稍微改造下Flag就有“2倍速”了，變形的速度還變成了瞬間……（ 雖説關節進行的改進強化也不用快成那樣吧 ）
我們天朝還不能研發到新MS麽？

根據第4集，CB也說了天朝在加快MS開發了……

就拭目以待人革连对应Gundam 的战术吧。

楼主只是不方便打中文，看得懂的还是尽量用中文回吧。。。

强化人间万岁~~~~~~~~

應該是天生擁有超能力，不然不會那麽小年齡就去打仗……

俗稱的NT麽~~

期待白毛女空手拆钢弹

这才是天朝该有的作为呀

突然想起东方老师好像也是白毛……

(说是因为年龄原因的 )

很简单，因为这是对剧本作者的不尊重。作为看众的我们没有必要也没有资格对故事的发展指手画脚作出判决性的判断。就算要作出揣测，也必须建立在已有的设定资料上。“超人”到底是什么东西？根本就没有人知道，而楼主已经把他们和过往作品中完全不同的概念“强化人间”划上等号了。这就跟比较Strike Freedom跟Exia哪个性能更高一样，二字记之曰“无聊”。学不会尊重作者的创作自由，就永远别奢望我会认真对待谁人的所谓“意见”。

I am basing on 已有的设定资料.  That is no MS in that universe can yet VS EXIA.  My main point is not on the girl's power at all.  
Apart from that I'm not discriminating or criticizing about the girl at all

I am afraid that you did not get my point.
I have no intend to defend for lioncck 's idea about linking Suma and those modified humans in past gundam series. I agree that this is a nonsense point, yet the main point that he rasied up is how can Suma becomes the hope of H.R.L. on defeating GUNDAM is still valid.
In the following paragraphs, I am going to adopt your points of view to analyze lioncck's major ideas.
No body was trying to criticize on this arrangement of plot, nor forcing the animation to run in the way we want (Oh my god, who are us, how can we put out will on them? That's silly to think of it) . Nobody tried to take away the authors freedom of creation , as no one was abler, nor willing to do so.
Furthermore, I think criticizing the plot or the whole story should be welcomed as well.Critical thinking becomes more and more important nowadays. By the time we think over the story and the ideas behind the animation, we can further understand what do the animation want to tell us. Without deep understanding ,we can not criticize on it. Therefore, criticizing does not mean disrepect, but respect instead.

Lilith, before criticizing something, the first thing we have to do is to understand it. The point is that you did not fully understand lioncck's points . Then how can you accuse him disrespecting the authors? You said that he should learn how to respect the author, than, did you pay enough respect to lioncck, and tried to understand what he said?

That is all I want to talk about and I hope everyone would think over it. Please be noticed that I do not want to blame any person, I wish we could discuss in a friendly atmosphere.

看英文写中文太辛苦了，还是换过来。

you know what, i honestly don't give a flying f**k what one's point is, if the underlying assumption is biased. why should i bother to understand or even hear it when it is built on something that is untrue or unproven?

if the fundamental question is, as you said, "whether or not Suma can hold her ground against  GUNDAM meisters" then this thread is just as meaningless as i said it was. there are a million ways the writers would not come up with a counter to that. yet you are hasting to make a judgement. would it hurt you to hold your tongue till at least you see what kind of MS Suma is piloting to say things like "Suma can do nothing against Setsuna"? what if "superhumans" really ARE that strong? what if the HRL has an MS as strong as the Custom Flag? if you have even taken the time to stop and think for one freakin' second, then you would've been able to come up with FORMED opinion that at least does not come across as a joke.

all i see in this thread are over excited fanboys. and fanboys should get used to being yelled at because that's all you ever do anyways.

PS：楼上几个笑话楼主英文的都给我shut the f**k up。人家是真的不会打中文，再说U们自己的英文也没有比楼主好哪里去。

in fact it is not.  I'm talking about Suma lack the tool, that is the MS, to hold her ground against GUNDAM!!  
And this piece of information is from


If you would consider my English as bad..  I believe that you really need to get to the library and read more english literature

I'm just trying to share my view and absorb more in here.  Not trying to 影响社会河蟹

我争论这个问题已经有点累了。中校又不是全知全能，他说的就是真理？别的不说，超人计划的详情在这之前他就一直不知道。HRL秘密开发了能和超人们匹配的MS有必要让中校知道么？

GUNDAM只是强，还不是无敌。Flag改就能把Exia逼到那地步了，Suma如果真的比格莱姆还强又有那种程度的MS，跟GUNDAM meister们打成平又有什么奇怪的。

还是那句话，看下去不就行了。

PS：看Eng Lit是不会对英文有大帮助的。。。平日沟通跟文学语言是完~全~的两回事。

yeah.... alright...  we would stop here than//

wait and see...
wait and see...

Although lioncck has agreed to stop over here, it is still necessary for me to add some more points .

Good technique can not guarantee winning.Let's imagine, you and Tom are having a cow boy style duel. Both of you are using a robot with different weapons. Yours cause more damage while Tom's is extremely weak. You are allowed to shot after the timer comes to zero. The one who can make the other's robot fall down wins. If your reaction time is 0.1 sec, and Tom's reaction time is 0.001 sec, you still win .


Actually,  Lioncck came up with his conclusion Suma could not defeat Setsuna without starting from the proposition: Suma is exactly the same as those modified humans. As he said.

After that, you raised your ideas that Suma may still win, well , I agre with those points in fact. You can reject his idea like this, but not picking on an unrelated statement and acccuse him of disrespcting the authors of Gundam00 / A silly fans...etc . I do not care if lioncck's or yours idea is correct, but I care how did you blame him.

At the same time I do not think making a guess at this stage would be a stupid decision. More clues are always welcomed, but we have the freedom of making a guess on the plot when watching movies/TV programmes..etc. Moreover, an early guess do not mean disrepect. If yes, I think millions of Hong Kong people sitting in front of televsions when having dinners, would have been disrespcting directors of TV dramas for years already.

前面看到有些人譏諷別人的中、英語文水平。這下子讓我很不以為然。作為中國人，學習中文的重點不僅是學會用母語來和民族同胞溝通，更是如何從我們數千來累積的文化底蘊中得到心靈、人格上的提升，成為真正的民族意義上的中國人。子曰：「見賢思齊，見不賢而內自省。」每個人在不同方面的能力必然有所差距，看到人家好的，我們要想辦法做的一樣好，看到人家不足的，我們要反省自己做的是否一樣不好。你們只能看到別人的英語如何，再極盡挖苦之能事，貶低他、鄙視他。以有足夠的中、英教育程度自居的你們，難道會不知道這道理麼？枉你們還說得出那種話來！

有些事情說開了不妨繼續說，香港人在網上用英語是非常常見的事情，特別是有些場合中，某些詞彙我們都只知英而不知中，與其好像口語對話中中英混合，倒不如徹底用英語來得痛快。只是，對話之間也少不免流露出港式英語的痕跡，比如說：「It is a very good movie ar~/I go dinner now」等種種形式的不純正英語，這一點可以說是香港特色－雖說這不是甚麼好事情。


最後，還是我一而在再而三說過的話。Lioncck說話的正確與否跟他的那句「Also Episode 4 told us that this Supergirl got brains... really unlike superhuman in the previous Gundam series」可謂全無瓜葛，我在意的不是蘇瑪難勝論的正確與否，是Lilith一度抓住Lioncck這句無知的說話加以窮追猛打，進而全盤否定他的話。既然兩位在較早之前已經有了充分了解，並決定休筆，我的話也就到此為止了。

虽然我已经高二了,看着这个还是眼花